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The Extramilest Podcast

Jan 11, 2019

Jay Motley, 38 years old from Greenville, South Carolina, is one of our Extramilest Facebook Group members. He has had a dream for a long time to qualify for the Boston Marathon. He trained hard and long, but always fell short of the Boston Qualifying times. He was often injured and feeling drained. This all changes recently, when he tried a different approach to training and racing. Last month he improved from a 3:11 marathon to a 2:50 marathon, a huge PR and his dream of being able to run the Boston Marathon came through.

In today’s episode we discuss in detail about Jay’s learnings over the past 10 years of Marathon running, what changes he made to his training to qualify for Boston, his race strategy and actually race day execution and much more.

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  • How Jay started running to lose weight at age 20 [3:07]
  • How Jay lost 50 pounds in 12 months and maintained his weight ever since [4:30]
  • The first marathon Jay ran in 2008 in Nashville, TN, finishing in 3 hours 35 minutes [7:42]
  • His learnings from his first marathon training cycle [11:30]
  • Jay’s first marathon that he actually enjoyed running [13:35]
  • His experience with “Furman FIRST Program”, all high intensity hard runs [15:15]
  • His previous PR at the New York Marathon in 2014 in 3 hours 11 minutes [16:30]
  • What happened after Jay missed his race goals several marathons in a row [19:40]
  • What Jay enjoys most about running [21:00]
  • Jay’s journey to start thinking about qualifying for Boston again [23:22]
  • Jay describes coming across a Sub 3 Hour Marathon article by Floris which changed his training approach [24:55]
  • Jay’s initial experiences with Heart Rate Training and MAF [27:05]
  • How Jay decided the right Heart Rate to train with according to the MAF 180 formula [29:48]
  • Floris talks about more details of the 180 MAF formula [31:00]
  • Jay’s MAF test to measure aerobic progress on a monthly basis [32:00]
  • Importance of consistency and comparing apples to apples [34:35]
  • Flo’s thoughts on correct execution of the MAF test [34:50]
  • Jay’s progress with MAF tests over his training cycle to Sub 3 marathon [36:40]
  • Jay’s feeling of increasing training volume, while slowing down his pace on most runs [38:38]
  • How Jay added in speedwork after a few months of low heart rate runs only [40:00]
  • When Jay ran his MAF test with the Nike Vaperfly 4% shoes [42:38]
  • The most amount of speedwork Jay ran the last 2 months before his Sub 3 Marathon [44:10]
  • How Jay trained on some downhill miles to get ready for his Marathon in Hawaii [46:20]
  • Jay describing his taper and what he would do different for his next training cycle [47:00]
  • Floris’s thoughts on the marathon taper [49:15]
  • Jay’s strategy going into his Sub 3 Marathon and how it worked out on race day [50:40]
  • How mile 18 - 20 felt during his Sub 3 marathon [56:08]
  • Some struggles Jay ran into during his Sub 3 marathon and how it overcame it [57:05]
  • Jay describes the feeling of finishing in 2 hours 50 minutes, a 20 minute PR [59:06]
  • The importance of listening to the body and mind during training cycles [60:28]
  • Jay added yoga for strength, flexibility and mental training. Helped focus on his breathing 1:02:00
  • What Jay would do different for the training cycles + races [1:03:30]
  • Floris’s thoughts about the Boston Marathon [1:05:00]
  • Tips by Jay to qualify for the Boston Marathon, run a Sub 3 Hour Marathon or Marathon PR [1:06:38] 
  • How we learn from both good and bad runs [1:08:50]


Extramilest Facebook Group

Jay Motley Strava

Jay Motley's 2:50 Marathon on Strava

Floris Gierman Strava

Maffetone 180 formula to calculate your Heart Rate Zones

How I trained to run a Sub 3 Hour Marathon

Boston Marathon Preparation and Race Report